Finally..

its been a long time...and right now its 2010 ;) have u started on those goals of yours?? Take it one day at a time... eating healthy.. being healthy and everything else is a process. Start becoming today what you want to become tomorrow!! be blessed.

Psalm 91
1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. [a]

2 I will say [b] of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust."

3 Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare
and from the deadly pestilence.

4 He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

5 You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,

6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7 A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.

8 You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.

9 If you make the Most High your dwelling—
even the LORD, who is my refuge-

10 then no harm will befall you,
no disaster will come near your tent.

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

13 You will tread upon the lion and the cobra;
you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

14 "Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him;
I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

15 He will call upon me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble,
I will deliver him and honor him.

16 With long life will I satisfy him
and show him my salvation."

what i have learned....

Whatever goes down the toilet will somehow end up in our water.... Our society needs to take care of itself and its vulnerable .... Pesticides that individuals use on their lawns accounts for more pollution in waterways then industrial use....


Changes is what we need! :)

Honey cake recipie (finally) lol

I have been away for a while but now that I have a moment I have decided to share my honey cake recipe with you. It is one of my Favorite recipes and the tradition is that I am the one who makes it. =) The ingredients:
2 Tablespoons of Honey
1 Cup of Sugar
2 Eggs
100 g of butter- a Darigold Square of butter usually has 113 g of butter so slice just a sliver off. Its better if the butter is room temperature.
1 tea spoon of baking soda mixed with 1 1/2 tea spoons of vinegar- this makes the baking soda taste disappear. =)

This recipe is enough for like 6/8 cake sheets so I usually make two servings by doubling everything

This recipe requires a steam table- or two pans; take a bigger pan fill it 1/4 water and place a smaller pan over the bigger pan. This process will keep the ingredients from burning.

Set the steam table on High and add all these ingredients at once.

Mix all the ingredients so it will be golden and smooth. This process takes 4-6 min.

Turn off the steam table and add flour (2 ½ cups) into the mixture using a metal spatula. Then I take the cake off the steam table.

The dough will still be sticky so I add about one more cup to make it firmer. I take this dough and put it on a plate, separating it into two batches- makes things easier. I let it stand, get firm for half an hour.

Then I cut off a piece, a fist full size and roll it. I usually take a lid of pan and cut it in the shape of the lid so that all my cake sizes are similar.

I usually roll all the cake sheets at the same time and stack them on top of each other and sprinkle a bit of flour in between.

When I have like 5-7 done I turn on the oven to 350 F. I put in each sheet separately, making them golden brown which takes about 3-4 min. I stack all the sheets on top of each other so they turn out more or less uniform.

The final step of the cake is to put it together. For this you need 4 cans of condescended milk. Take off the paper off the cans and wash the cans. Place the cans into a pan that fits all of them and cover with cold water. Place the lid on the pan and place on the stove on high. When the water boils, turn down to low- like 1.2 or 2, the highest and put the stove timer on 2 hours. When the two hours are over turn off the stove and take out the cans- be careful they will be hot. Let the cans cool down ( like 5 hour wait, at least) then open the cans. In them you will have a type of caramel, like the kind you put on green apples which is very delicious. J For each can that you will use you need a stick of butter at room temperature. Mix the butter and mix in the caramel. This is the crème that you will use. Now take a sheet of the cake you made. Moisturize it with milk ( u can do this by spraying on the milk)- lightly because if you moisturize it heavily it will crumble and break. Then add the crème on top. Repeat steps for about 7 layers. In between the layers if you choose to you can add sliced almonds or other nuts- will add to the crunch. When you have finished the layering put crème all around the cake and add sliced/grated chocolate all over the top and nuts (grated) all over the sides. Let the cake stand for 6 hours for moisture.

Cut (usually in square shapes) and enjoy.

It has been a while since i last blogged... due to finals and the attention that they require.. i have received my grades already and I am extremely happy- of myself and of my institution. Since this blog was started as an requirement for one of my classes the delema that i have been having is one how to continue it. I am still deciding and i have a few ideas. But basically this blog is going to be about the issues that interest me..
The issues that interest me right now are those of the holiday season. Christmas is around the corner and the smell of baking is in the air. =) Today i baked a honey cake. Some time this week i will tell you all about it. And continue on our Christmas topic. Stay warm.

Last of the Presentations

This past Wednesday was the last day of our class presentations. One of the groups that presented, besides ours, presented on the book titled "Steal This File Sharing Book: What They Won't Tell You About File Sharing." I really liked the way this group presented. It was straight and to the point. The presenters knew their material and what was going on. They talked about the fact that everything and anything can be shared, if its in a file. There are many ways to share a file, emailing it, transferring it by usb, but certain file sharing groups exist online. These file sharing groups share music, movies and much more. Technically these groups are not illegal but if they share copyrighted information, the sharing of copyrighted information is illegal.

This group talked about why people began to share files, and it was due to the reason that they were tired of the prices that record companies were setting on their cd's. Not only do people pirate and share files, but some people make money off seling pirated music, by making it look like the real deal. There are many reasons why people do the things that they do. Like i have said, people were tired of the record companies prices, some people just want a single song and are not willing to pay ~20 for a cd that they dont want to listen to. Some people collected copyrighted material just because they can.

The world that we live is an interesting one and every person has to make a choice in how they are going to act. If i have more time i would like to read this book, and i advise you, my dear internet college to read it yourself, to really know what your getting yourself into.

Group Presentations in our Virtual World Class

Yesterday was the first day of presentations and we had two groups that presented. The first group presented on a book written by Lee Siegel, titled “Against the Machine, Being Human in the Age of the Electronic Mob.” The basic message of this book is that the internet is separating us from the “real” world and it is promoting self enclosure. The first chapter is titled “Bait and Switch”. This chapter talks about profit and idealism, how the internet is being sold as a form for consumerism. The message that the presenters got out of this book is that Siegel believe that the internet contributes to the destruction of culture and knowledge. Web 2.0 is creating homogenization. In other chapters Siegel talks about the culture that participates in the internet use. He states that the internet contributes to the intermingling of different cliques and to him this is a negative thing. For Siegel cliques that were found in high school are the best way of doing things. Siegel also believes that artists and professionals are sliding into a gray area because of their internet use. He believes that the corporate world is going to take over the “pure form of art”. I’m not going to go into more detail about this book because I believe that you get the point. This author is a critic and he wrote this book to be critical of other people. The presenters stated that they were very frustrated with the book. This can be a good or a bad thing.

The other group of presenters consisted of 5 guys… that was interesting. They were presenting on a book written by Howard Rheingold. The book is called “Smart Mobs: The Next Social Revolution.” The author starts out by talking about texting and the changes that it brought to Tokyo and the rest of the world. Tokyo- is the place of the world most advanced texters. He also talks about I-mode and how it revolutionized the internet on phones. In the next few years we will see a new phenomenon 3-G generations that will be able to used their phones for a life style remote control. Rheingold also talks about the fact that technology is driven by cooperation without cooperation technology is not truly possible. Community Computation is talked about in chapter 3. Examples are Peer to Peer (P2P) sharing, Sharing Central Processing Unit (CPU). Chapter 4 talks about the “era of sentient things” which includes virtual reality research. Virtual Reality Research includes: smart rooms, digital cities, sentient objects, tangible bits, wearable computers. What sentient Technology is: Sense, Receive, Store, and transmit info. Sentient technologies open up a new media sphere. New technologies are making microchips cheaper, more easily accessible. These chips can be embedded into money. UPS is one of the users of the few technologies, it can track trucks when they pass certain points and they can know to the dot when your package will arrive.

Technology is a very interesting thing and different people have different perspectives of it. On Monday we will see in what directions the rest of our presentations go in.

Final Presentation... outline =)

Intro to the Virtual world has been a very interesting class. U might ask why? The reason why it has been interesting is in part due to the teacher and partly due to the subjects covered, blogs written and projects done. Do to the fact that we are nearing the end of the autumn quarter we are going to have one more test coming up and a final group project. This final group project is centered on a book of our choosing, which in this case titled “World without Secrets” is written by Richard Hunter. Our group consists of 7 team members and we have decided to split the reading up by chapters with me getting chapter 8 & 9. What I am going to do is summarize these chapters and use this blog as a draft in preparing for my group project.

Chapter 8 is titled “Distracted consumers, mentats and Timothy McVeigh”. The chapter starts out with the thought that we know and believe that we know what went down on April 19, 1995 at the Oklahoma City bombing. Hunter states “We know what we’ve read and heard. We heard it from the media, who heard it from the FBI, who learned it through dogged investigation” (135). What Hunter is trying to get at here is to get us to think outside the box as he further explains his theory. “Does it matter that some will-informed observers—independent Mentats—believe that that message (that McVeigh committed the bombings all by himself) is false, or even fraudulent?” (135). Now u are going to ask me what is this person advocating here, and what are u advocating by repeating it? What Hunter is trying to say here is that sometimes we are feed what we want to hear, and in this case, the fact that McVeigh was the sole perpetrator of this crime. “We want to believe them”. When we take their explanations at face value, we allow time to go along for the ride. “We are so glad that there is nothing more to learn. We want out of this horror show, fast.” The people in charge know of our desires and they give us what they know and believe that we desire. The networks that surround us, the internet, radio, TV all amplify the story that is given and that is what gives the story power. This fact makes everything known, but at the same time no one will know that truth. The question that Hunter poses for us as readers begins with the premise that the government, the Federal Bureau of Investigations made a choice for us in regards to what they believe that we want to hear. “ Are u willing to accept that the bureau made the right decisions for you when it decided what not to tell you about how it investigated the case and what it did or didn’t find?” (140). Chapter 8 helps us to reexamine our true values, the real truth to them, and to reexamine how much do we really desire the truth. We as the generation of knowledge have the world at our hands. Are we going to be easily led by what we prefer to hear?

Chapter nine is titled “In the exceptional economy, be exceptional”. What does this mean? Hunter starts explaining this by stating “When everything is known, no one knows everything” (145). Do to the fact that there is so much information available in our world people, over time will only pay attention to the deviants of information. These exceptions, the highs and lows, will be the focus of our attention. Exceptions will not only be the focus of our attention but they will be the driving forces of the economy. The reason behind this is that humans get used to everything very easily and they need new objects to stimulate their electrons. Hunter also talks about relationships and how they matter. People don’t trust what they don’t know, and relationships authenticate us. These relationships protect us against the “seas of information” that are out there. In the context of economy mentats, people who are who are well known, who can vouch for someone or something, matter greatly. This singling out may be a good thing or it may be a bad thing, it can make or break a company or a product. In the context of earning money or of becoming someone, being at the right place, at the right time is very significant and networking adds to the spice of life to a business. Hunter also talks about business and why it’s imperative for it to share information. One of the reasons for this sharing of information is because modern businesses are networks. Businesses depend on each other too much, and successful businesses will be able to focus more on what they do better then anyone else. The way this can be achieved is through the sharing of information. The more networks expand the less the choice a business will have in sharing information because everyone is and will be dependent on everyone else.

Finally! I am done summarizing all these points, some I covered in more detail while others in less. What are the basics of these two chapters? Chapter 8 teaches us not to take everything at face value because we might be buying into the information that someone believes, knows that we want to buy into. We should look for the truth because it is available to us; we have the resources to reach for it. Chapter 9 talks about the sharing of information, those businesses will not be able to survive without it. This chapter also talks about how in the world of much information only exceptions capture our numbed mind and this exception is the driving force of the economy.

Virtual World Scavenger Hunt

We are all done!! Yay.. 19 questions. =) So what have we learned? that Google is not the answer to all searches but very important place to start at. Secondly, the online world is very interesting and informative.

Scavenger Hunt

This scavenger hunt is going pretty well so far. Katie and i have answered 7 questions. This blog is technically part of number 9... and number 2 needs some work on it. Gtg and finish the rest so ttyl. =)

Virtual World

A virtual world according to Wikipedia is "is a computer-based simulated environment intended for its users to inhabit and interact via avatars." This blogging post should be talking about virtual worlds and if i were to travel to one where would i go. The question is where would I go? The answer is I don't know. I love the internet, using the computer, being able to find what I'm looking for, being able to interact with other people (friends) via email, Myspace etc. but virtual world is not my thing. I have no interest whatsoever in creating an avatar, wasting my life away online.

First of all what does a person gain from this virtual world? Besides if you think your so good at something why cant you do it in real life anyway? I also think that virtual worlds can change a person's psychology. If a person spends all their time online, in a virtual world shooting people, what makes you think that he will obtain from doing it in real life? The line between virtual and real for that person has already become gray. The only thing that is stopping that person is time. When a person spends so much time online, its the same as watching TV. When a person is involved in those activities they abstain from real relationships because they don't have time, they don't value real social relationships. These kinds of actions make them more social outcasts and then they have no choice but to recede into their virtual world.

I believe that there is much to be done to make my real world a better place and hiding in my mind or in a virtual society is not necessarily going to make it a better place. Another thing is that the people that you meet online act more differently then they would in real life do to the fact that they can remain anonymous. The people online could be felons or other weird people. They could be preying on you. They could be stalking you. There is no true way to know the motives of people. Basically abstaining from virtual worlds is in a way a form of self preservation.

There are many reasons that i don't like virtual worlds that are online, that involve aviators, etc. What kind of society are we going to have if the only way we communicated was online? Some people could say that it will be better... no killings, murders, shootings. Everyone would be too busy online. But killings, murders exist online as was written on the news recently. A young woman, killed her "ex-husbands" aviator. Humans are humans and their nature they take everywhere with them. I could go on and on but i believe you get the gist. I am against virtual worlds. Besides this could lead to an even faster rise in obesity then what we already see. Its better to live in the real world, a real life. If you don't like the person you are in the real world, then change. No one is stopping you but yourself, it only takes effort. The question is do you think that its worth the effort? I do.

The Northwest is an amazing place but the city of Tacoma is even more interesting. Even though it it is not known by many it is beloved by all. The citizens of Tacoma love their city and they have put it on the global map with Seattle and many other technological cities. How have they managed to do this? By blogging about it. The city has many bloggers that are unique to it. They have exit 133, they have Kevin Freitas and Feed Tacoma, they have Andrew Fry, TacomaMama and many others.

These people care about their city and their community. Kevin Freitas, a former student of PLU and a programmer has been blogging about his life since 1998... Now thats a lot of blogs!. He visited our Technology class and we had a wonderful time. He has also created a new blog center for the Tacomians ( my new word... LOl) it is called FeedTacoma. His blog is non-profit. It is for people that blog in Tacoma and it uses analog so that it does not consume the time of its developer and does not cost much to run besides the dedication of Kevin.

Feed Tacoma is a very clean and gleaming website because of the uniqueness of Tacomians. Tacomians are very close community wise, the people you see online, you will probably meet them in real life sooner or later. This website, contains events, discussions, shops, photos, video's. Shops? Did u say shops? Yes, in fact I did. The shops are virtual and store owners are allowed to advertise themselves and their products without a fee. Very awesome.

Tacomians are very resourceful and creative people as we can see in Kevin Freitas. So what will come next from these very resourceful, unique people? We can only guess.. :)

Finances via the internet

People like shiny new things. Many people like shopping and shopping via the internet is very convenient. You can shop while you are at your favorite coffee shop, on break at work or sitting on a bench at your favorite park. Shopping online saves you money, saves you time spent driving to and from the store and it lets you bargain a bit. If you find what you are looking for it is very convenient to pay online using PayPal or entering your credit card information.

Even though there is a danger associated with shopping online people still continue to shop. The question is: is the risk not great enough to outweigh efficiency? For many people the answer is no. Some people would say that they live in too of a remote area and they can’t find what they are searching for in their nearest stores at the same price. The efficiency of shopping online and having it shipped to your house is very high and it can’t be beat. Another refute would be that nothing has happened to me or to anyone else I know…Denial. Many people are in denial about what is going on and what might happen to them. They buy Northern Virus protection, encrypt their websites and they believe that they are all set.

A person who shops online can also ask you – how safe is it to give your credit/ debit card to an employee in any store. They still have your information after you leave the store, who knows what happens to it or who sees it?

Not only can u shop online you can also bank. While banking online you can transfer funds between your checking and savings account and between many other ones you have. It is also possible to buy stock online and buy pass the middle man-the broker. Stopping by the bank, waiting in line is a waste of time when they can do the same via the internet. Besides banking is not as personal as it was ten, fifteen years ago. Also banks have set hours and you can’t wait on them when you need money right away.

Internet is a technology that has become popular by word of mouth and has become integrated very suddenly into the lives of many people. Being able to use this technology is a mark of a modern man and has also become very addictive. Convenience, saving time is very honored in our society and that is why despite the danger associated with using the internet for purchases it continues. It is the disease of the modern man. Money is the name of the game. It is the driving force of technology.

Hilltop.. of Tacoma

In My perspective On Service class we have had a few field trips and a variety of guest speakers. Yesterday we had a guest speaker named Jean and she talked about the change that resulted in her area. The area was was a drug selling place. There were 33 houses and 3 of them were drug houses that ruined the whole appeal of the neighborhood. A nice Victorian house whose value is half a million dollars was selling for 33,000. Now that is very very bad. The neighborhood was filled with shootings all the time... but no one actually got shot... LOL.. cause the gangsters didnt know how to shoot...

When she moved into that neighborhood for financial and housing reasons.. No one was standing up for the neighborhood.. to the druggies that meant that no one cared... Neighbors didn't know their neighbors... so how could they stand up... Some of the druggies lived with their parents and those either denied that their children were doing drugs or ignored it because of fear...

Jean coming from a small city in Montana decided to bake bread and get to know her neighbors... They probably thought she was wacky... but that's not the point.. LOl... The point is that she got to know her neighbors and they helped her and she helped them.

Getting rid of drug dealers is not easy...Especially the Crips.The Crips are one of the largest and most violent associations of street gangs in the United states. They believed that they have power because they had oozies- M16 or AK47. Calling the cops did not help much either cause at that time they had guns that were small and uneffective. There were 32 gangsters and 2 cops would show up.. not a fair fight.

The thing that causes neighboor hoods to be run over with drug users- in this case crack users, a different form of cockaine is that the neighborhood was run down and in some ways neglected. There were abondoned houses that the drug dealers could use.Hilltop was a center for lawlessness thanks in no small part to absentee landlords who had neglected their properties. But all that started to change.Business leaders, residents and the city organized and launched a project to buy property, renovate rundown homes and build new ones, selling them to low-income people interested in becoming first-time homeowners.

This created change that propelled more change and finally kicked out most of the druggies.
The reason why this was effective is kind of explained by the " broken window theory-if the first broken window in a building is not repaired, then people who like breaking windows will assume that no one cares about the building and more windows will be broken. Soon the building will have no windows...."

The moral of this story is take care of your neighborhood. When everything will be in its proper place drug addicts will have no place there. Community is also very important. Know your neighbors. Become a mentor to a child. =)

Did You Know? Bagels

The bagel is the only bread product that is boiled before it is baked. That's what gives the bagel its unique texture and the crust its characteristic shine.

Legend has it that in 1683 in Vienna, Austria, a local Jewish baker wanted to thank the king of Poland for protecting his countrymen from Turkish invaders. He made a special hard roll in the shape of a riding stirrup-Bugel in German - commemorating the king's favorite pastime and giving the bagel its distinct shape.

As bagels gained popularity in Poland, they were officially sanctioned as gifts for women in childbirth and mentioned in community registers. Mothers used them as nutritious teething rings that their infants could easily grasp - a practice still popular today.

Bagels eventually made their way to Russia, where they were called bubliki and were sold on strings. Like other ring-shaped objects, they were said to bring good luck and possess magical powers. It is even said that songs were sung about bagels! ( The Kitchen Project)

Commerce on the Net

The World that we live in is constantly evolving. In many ways it is better in some ways it is worse. Our generation has materialistic wealth, it has the opportunity for a better education, we live in a democratic country. Medicine has gotten way better ( Polio has been eradicated in many countries, malaria also) and we can treat many forms of cancer. It is worse because ice in the north pole is melting, HIV and AIDS are still spreading, more wars are being started everyday. Whatever you desire is yours for the getting... all you need is money.

When the internet began it was hard to get people to buy things online because of security issues. Not only that, there was very little available for sale online. Then encryption came along and people began buying. You can buy books, toys, candy, clothes, electronics and many other things. But the question for this blog is: what do you feel comfortable buying online? Yes, buying online is convenient in many ways but the system is not 100% error free.

What I feel comfortable buying online might not be what you will buy online. Being a student means I don't have lots of money to waste... it also means I have to buy books. That is one thing I love and it is something that I buy quite often. Used books save lots of money.. Books are something to be cherished and it seems cool to me to be able to read a book that someone read. To me books are vintage. I think that books are cooler when they have been read, written in by someone else... Not that I don't like freshly printed ones.. Lol... Those are awesome too... Because you can create your own vintage and then pass it on to someone else.. Buying books is something pretty simple and most of the time it comes like the way it says it would.

I don't feel comfortable buying clothes online. I like shopping for clothes in person. Every person has a different body shape and different things look different on different people. So that is why I don't buy clothes online. Shoes are different. Sometimes I will buy them online because they will not be available in a store. On the subject of Electronics I am not decided yet. I think that it is nice that electronics are available online ... and for a much less price then in stores but you have to know which seller is trustworthy.

So overall I buy tangible things online. Brands that I truly trust. I believe the internet is an issue of trust and its not something to be taken lightly because you are putting up your information out there. It is something that you are responsible for and it is something that people don't really care much about- unless its their own information. Besides the fact that commerce on the Net is a trust issue I think that people should not buy objects that they don't need that clutter up their house or garage. Just buy the objects that you truly need. When we do this we save the world. There will be less garbage in the dumpsters and landfills.There will be less resources wasted. It is our world... and it is our responsibility to keep it beautiful for future generations... not only does money run out many other things do too.

A comic that i think is funny =)

Apple computers

Apple has lowered the cost of its least expensive MacBook by $100.But despite the price drop Apple' s shares have dropped $6.18, or 5.6 percent, to close at $104.08. More at Seattle Times.com-Technology.

Authorities Shut Down Spam Ring

Continuing on our email theme authorities have shut down a major spam ring which used names like HerbalKings and Click Fusion...This network was made up of 35,000 computers and was capable of sending 10 billion e-mail messages a day.F.T.C. investigators also said they monitored the group’s finances closely and that it cleared $400,000 in Visa charges in one month alone.
More on Ny times at

Newspapers... The drama unfolds.

Continuing our conversation on newspapers, today in the NY Times there was a piece on newspapers loss of revenue from the web. NY Times revenue grew 12.3 percent due to traffic generated by the economic meltdown but many other newspapers had losses in advertising- online and in print.

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Vanity Search....

I like to know what is being said behind my back. You want to know what is being said behind your back… The question is who is saying all this stuff behind our backs that we don’t know about? The answer is the internet…

“You’re joking, right?”

“Maybe I am, maybe I’m not.”

“Well how do I find out what they are saying about me?”

“Vanity search…. Search yourself on the internet. Try Google and other search engines. Then you will find out what they are saying about you.”

“But what gives them the right?”

“Well they are search engines, they only find the information that is up on the internet about you, they don’t post stuff on the internet you or someone else does that.”

When I went searching for myself on Google I came up with only seven results. Not one of the results was the real me. On Yahoo there was only one listing of the real me and it was from my high school days when I was into public speaking. When I went to a website called Intelius, I only found one person with the same name who is located on the other side of the state. When I searched for myself on USA- People-Search I found the same thing as on Intelius. Even though I did not find many listings of myself what I

discovered by doing this assignment is that there are many people out there with my last name that I never knew existed, in other parts of the world- especially in Europe. It was pretty cool. I also was tempted to create an account to get to know them…. but I’m still debating that one. Some people might consider it weird that I want to get to know people who have my last name that I have never met. Besides what will happen if they are not the person who their profile makes them seem? That’s something to think about.

After researching myself I decided to research some close family members and didn’t find too much info about them either; so I’m glad that they are cautious internet users. Basically, I don’t have much to worry about but I believe that I will be more cautious of what I do on the internet that might give people info about me. I might go scare my friends into doing this search and see what they come up with. …